Trotman Family History

Last updated 31 August 2007

John Trotman
Coal Miner
b. 2? March 1853
c.19 May 1853
Coln Rogers, Gloucestershire

m. 17 Oct 1874
Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire

Hannah Maria Bagnall
b.16 April 1853
b.Caverswall, East Vale, Staff's

m. 17 Oct 1874, Stoke-on-Trent Staffordshire

d.aftr.1945

1945 party
John Trotman
aka Jack Trotman
1875/6
East Vale, Staff's

married Sarah Hood?
Q4 1898
Hannah Trotman
b. 19 June 1878
b.Caverswall, East Vale, Staff's

d.1942
William Trotman
b.1880
East Vale, Staff's


Elizabeth Trotman
b. 1882



1945 party
Harry Trotman
aka Henry Trotman
b.1886


Charles Trotman
b. May/June 1900
parents unknown
 

I have a copy of John Trotman's birth certificate. The date is hard to read but is the twenty something of March 1853 in Coln Rogers, his father is listed as Henry Trotman, Husbandman and his mother as Mary Trotman, formerly Freeman. Mary Trotman made her mark, the registration took place on the seventh of April (district of Northleach, sub-district of Chedworth).

There is a record of a John Trotman being christened on 15th May 1853 in Coln Rogers, Gloucestershire, England. His parents were Henry and Mary Trotman.

Who is Hannah wife of John Trotman?

Finding the marriage certificate for John Trotman and then the birth certificate for his wife Hannah Bagnall /Bagwall / Baguall / Baggualey has been a difficult task.
Initially I could find no record of a marriage for John Trotman which fitted the John and Hannah Trotman in the census records, not helped by the inconsistent ages in the census records (bee below - "Age of John Trotman ..." below).

The first lead was to obtain the birth certificate of Hannah Trotman born 19 June 1878. This has the family living at 12, Garden Place(?), East Vale, Caverswall. Hannah's father is listed as John Trotman, coal miner, and her mother as Hannah Trotman formerly Bagwall (it could be read as Baguale, just).

Looking for the marriage of John Trotman and Hannah Bagwall gave no matches and looking for the birth of Hannah Bagwall has given no matches.

Finally I found a birth and obtained the certificate for Hannah Bagguly, born 9th of October 1846, in Paradise Street, Lane End, in Stoke-on-Trent. Her father was George and her mother was Sarah Bagguly, formerly Sarah Thomas.

From this or some time I listed the parents of Hannah Trotman nee Bagguley, wife of John Trotman as George Bagguly and Sarah Thomas. I obtained a copy of their marriage certificate and traced their father's names from that (see this page for details).

Then I found a marriage for John Trotman and Hannah Maria Baguall. The marriage certificate is dated 17th of October for John Trotman and Hannah Maria Baguall. Hannah made her mark, so Baguall was not her spelling of the name! She is listed as a potter on the certificate, living in New Street, her father is listed as James Baguall, a bricklayer.

The location is the Parish of Ed????. I am still trying to establish the place name.

So then I had to abandon the Baggulleys etc (click here for details of that wild goose chase) and look for Bagualls, except that they turned out to be Bagnalls!

In the 1881 census while John Trotman was living with his wife Hannah Maria at 10, Garden Place, Caverswall. There was a Sarah Bagnall (widow) living at 12, Garden Place, the address that Hannah Maria was born at!.

Age of John Trotman (senior) and Hannah

John Trotman was born in March 1853 and christened on 15th May 1853
At the time of the 1861 census John is listed as 9 years old, giving an approximate birth year of 1852.
At the time of the 1871 census John is listed as 18 years old, giving an approximate birth year of 1853 (and a agricultural labourer).
At the time of the 1881 census John is listed as 30 years old, giving an approximate birth year of 1851 (and a coal miner).
At the time of the 1901 census John is listed as 53 years old, giving an approximate birth year of 1848 (and a coal miner).
When John is 30, so is Hannah, but 20 years later he is 23 years older and his wife Hannah is only 16 years older!

At the time of the 1881 British Census, John Trotman and his family are living at 10 Garden Place, Caverswall, Staffordshire, England
John Trotman 30 (senior), coal miner
his wife Hannah Trotman 30 (senior), and their children
John Trotman (junior) 5,
Hannah Trotman (junior) 3 and
William Trotman 11 months.


At the time of the 1901 Cenus (March 31st 1901) John Trotman and his family are living at "Ct 2 6 Sthd Place, Longton, Staffordshire" in the parish of St. James.

There is John Trotman aged 53 a "coal hewer" born in Gloucestershire,
Hannah Trotman, his wife, aged 46, a "Potter's Wheel Turner", born in Longton Staffordshire
Elizabeth Trotman, daughter, aged 19, a "Potter's Transferrer", born in Longton,
Harry Trotman, son, aged 15, a "coal loader hewer", born in Longton,
Charles Trotman, grandson, aged 9 months, born in Longton.


John Trotman (junior) is 5 in 1881 and should be 25 in 1901 when he is no longer living with his parents. [born abt.1876]
Hannah Trotman (junior) is 3 in 1881 and should be 23 in 1901 when he is no longer living with her parents. Having married 3 years earlier in 1897. [born abt.1878]
William was 11 months old in 1881 and therefore should be 20 or 21 in 1901, he to is no longer living with his parents. [born 1880]
Elizabeth is 19 in 1901 and therefore was not born in 1881. Harry is 15 in 1901 and therefore was not born in 1881. [born abt.1882]
Harry is 15 in 1901 and therefore was born in about 1896.
Charles is a grandchild and 9 months old in 1901. He could be the son of John (junior), Hannah (junior), William or Elizabeth [born 1900]

Marriage of John Trotman (junior)

Free BMD has a John Trotman marrying a Sarah Hood between October and December 1898 in Stoke-on-Trent. The date of the marriage would correspond with Charles Trotman (shown on the Census as John Trotman senior's grandson) as the child of John Trotman and Sarah Hood.
Family oral history confirms the children Harry and Elizabeth.

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